Thursday, April 12, 2012

Just an Observation

Many of you (like myself) are into firearms and survival subjects and we rely on the internet for a lot of information. This can be good and bad......especially bad if you can't trust or don't know the source.
I certainly don't consider myself an expert in this whole area but I am fairly well versed on a lot of it having much training and background.
I recently did a Google search on an old S&W Victory revolver I have, they are a very well documented gun and I have read a lot about them. I was shocked by the misinformation that was out there by people claiming to be 'experts' of course I also found correct history and information from other trusted sources but the point I want to make is be careful where you get information from. People will claim to be a master gunsmith, NRA instructor, military expert etc.  but you don't know for sure. Even on forums one person will state something wrong and many times almost everyone else will confirm their statements even if they don't know because they want to appear knowledgeable. I want to be quick to point out I am not referring to anyone I have read on these blog pages but more on general internet searches.
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In the military I was trained in mortars and over the years I went to a few schools taught by the Marines (and one by the Army) I made it a point to understand the mechanics and physics behind the weapons systems because I encountered varying information along the way, and sometimes I think instructors would answer a question they didn't know the answer to just to appear knowledgeable. Here again, you have to be careful of all information.
The gun craze has made a lot of armchair experts and this can be dangerous because they read bad information then give their own interpretation and spout it as fact.
I will give an example which comes to mind.
A long range target shooter will bad mouth a certain gun and say it is inaccurate and shoots all over the place (meaning he can't cover his shots at 100 yards with a quarter) Others will agree and spread the word that the gun is a piece of junk and can't be trusted and someone will read this and go overspend on another gun when in fact the gun in question may put all shots in a 4" circle at 100 yards, while maybe it's not a good competition gun it may be a perfect battle rifle.
The trouble is there is so much technology out there in the gun world  you have to sort out the hype from whats real, go with what you know and have tried or experienced and put it together with trusted sources. As a side note there are many good and smart gun store employees however there are just as many who are idiots just trying to make a sale.
   I am sure this is old hat to many of you but we need to be reminded sometimes.
Oh well that is my rant for the day.

17 comments:

  1. How right you are! Yesterday I couldn't spell gun. Today I are an expert! I did a lot of research on Model 1891 Argentine Mauser that I was getting back into condition. After a lot of reading and sorting out, I did get it into shooting condition. Ammo was a little hard to come by. Then I was talking to a person who lives a few miles away and he has rebuilt older Mausers and had all kinds of info. You never know.
    BTW-It is a dream to shoot and sights in well.

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    1. Sometimes you have to read a lot to get the 'right dope' Thanks.

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  2. Yep, I agree. The thing I find in the "instructor" world is that all of a sudden someone is expert on EVERYTHING. Wow, wish I was that smart. For me, I have to "pick my spot" - and that's where I spend my time. I am NOT a long range shooter, I am NOT a trap shooter (though I gotta get up to speed by tomorrow ?!?!?!? for the NRA instructor class), I CAN NOT build an AR from scraps laying around in my garage. But, I do love shooting pistols.

    Your salesman / saleswoman (gotta stay PC ya know) comment was interesting too. In my neck of the woods - if you are a woman in a gun store the only weapon that will fit your need is "The Judge", of course. Heavy sigh. And just plain safe handling skills within the store are nearly non-existant. I have actually had to remove a weapon from a young salesman's hands, just to feel safe.

    Good post sir, enjoy your day!

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    1. You probably see this a lot. I tend to write off any 'expert' when they start out by telling you how much they know or start trying to make you feel lowly. When I encounter this I just keep my mouth shut and let them ramble on.

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  3. The key to my mind is that they source their information so that you can judge for yourself the soundness and veracity of the source. I am also suspicious about people who disguise their opinions as facts.

    Saying: Model X is not reliable would not hold a lot of weight with me. Saying: Of the three-hundred repairs I did last year, Model X made up 80% of the work while only representing 10% of the overall market share would be a lot more meaningful.

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    1. Good points, that's what I do as well and look for other sources with the same back up.

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  4. A fellow tube stroker eh? So long ago :)

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    1. Stated out on the 81mm and moved to the 60mm. My favorite was shooting the 60 in the hand held mode.

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    1. Thanks Bubba. Just repeating what you told me.

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  6. i couldn't agree more, dear friend! as a trained intelligence analyst i have a few tricks up my sleeve when it comes to people presenting themselves as "experts" - and those tricks work well with gun experts, homesteading experts, survival experts, DIY experts, gardening experts, etc.

    i agree with Russell1200 - the key is to source the information, verify the information and then search out as many other sources of that information in as many different areas as possible.

    trust me - just a topic as simple as saving seeds needs to be thoroughly researched due to one person putting up their "expert" views and 250,000,000 idiots agreeing with it!

    great post buddy! your friend,
    kymber

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  7. You should do a post on 'reading people' I have had a little training on it....very interesting stuff, I'm sure it would be a good topic.
    Yes this advice applies to any subject. Thanks my friend.

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    1. Dear Duke - i have received training in SIGINT, ELINT, HUMINT, OSINT and IMINT - the basics i studied in the Canadian Military, but all of my advanced stuff was done down in the US, with a few trips to England and Australia. i would love to do some posts on the "generalities" of intelligence gathering, but am terrified to do so based on some of the rules that the US government truly enforces when it comes to sharing certain types of information. as an example, i can not say on my resume that i received particular training from a particular US agency, i can only say that i received the particular training at Ft. George Meade - see what i mean? as well, the Canadian rules are very iffy and difficult to know what you can and can not say. and the rules apply differently to civilians writing the same stuff - you can write about it if you are a proper and true civilian (never having been in, nor trained by the military). that's why i have stayed away from these types of topics. on our blog.

      your friend,
      kymber

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    2. Kymber, that's OK just tell everyone you learned it watching re-runs of "CSI" or "Murder She Wrote"

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  8. bahahahahah! oh Duke - you are too awesome buddy!

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  9. When your new to the world of guns it is a pretty scary place. I cann not believe how fortunate I was that I "ran" into the right kind of people. People who were knowledgable, but didn't claim to know everything. People who could back up what they told me and gave me a several other places to look. I have heard nightmare stories from other newbies, but for the most part, I have been blessed by folks like you.

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  10. Thank you my friend, it's better to have someone show you and let you practice yourself. Just be sure they don't teach you bad tricks. That's where reading and observing are important.

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